depends on whose opinion you trust really, people that spend every other day in a properly fast car will prefer a buzzy 1.2 if anything over a 75bhp diesel, however in the real world where we live, i think 60mpg and some motorway torque is a pretty good thing, plus remaps of course.

auto_blanco said:

depends on whose opinion you trust really, people that spend every other day in a properly fast car will prefer a buzzy 1.2 if anything over a 75bhp diesel, however in the real world where we live, i think 60mpg and some motorway torque is a pretty good thing, plus remaps of course.

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Thats the way I am looking at it. We wont all agree on which is best but for me the 1.3 is the only way to go.

With the torque, the fuel economy and the fact I can get it remapped with a good few extra BHP, its the only choice for me.:slayer:

I may go for a remap too, about 7bhp more apparently (approx 10%)

According to this site:
http://www.nuova500shop.com/productview.aspx?PID=12&npp=12&cp=0&cat=1

They are offering 1.3MJ remaps delivering
"+25bhp +40Lb ft / 55Nm +2-4mpg improvement Huge improvement in turbo response"
Bang goes ur warranty though !

How are they going to pick it up on warranty though, most dealers would never tell, normal servicing will not pick it up.

Mark Elvin said:

I may go for a remap too, about 7bhp more apparently (approx 10%)

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Is this the real world? The majority of people are not interested in such tweaks, it would also invalidate the warranty. Also I doubt if many will own their cars long enough to recoup the additional purchase price and the extra cost of derv.

nuovapanda said:

But you havent tried a 1.2 yet

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True

In which case, I withdraw all my previous comments about the 1.3 being the best engine until I have driven the 1.2...

...at which point I will re-submit them!

nuovapanda said:

Anyone know when this 2 cylinder jobbie is going into the 500?

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Not heard anything official yet

Can I ask a dumb question; does the Multijet 500 make use of a 'Sport' button? Or is that only the petrol 1.4?

I've been driving a few 1.9CDTi SRi (Multijet ) Astras recently for work and they have a 'Sport' button which instantly takes away that low-rev flatness that frankly I've despised in every other diesel I've driven (and that's been a lot ).

Schwenck said:

Can I ask a dumb question; does the Multijet 500 make use of a 'Sport' button? Or is that only the petrol 1.4?

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Just the 1.4

The MultiJet gets the Gir...sorry, City Button.

Autocar have test driven a RHD Multijet Sport and seem to make it their pick of the engines on offer -

http://www.autocar.co.uk/CarReviews/FirstDrives/Fiat-500-1.3-MultiJet-Sport/230415/

You have to question the validity of an article that claims the diesel is more refined at idle.

ensonricky said:

You have to question the validity of an article that claims the diesel is more refined at idle.

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All reviews are merely the opinion of the author. We don't have to agree with it, but that doesn't mean it's not valid.

Scrogg said:

All reviews are merely the opinion of the author. We don't have to agree with it, but that doesn't mean it's not valid.

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It does in my book. If something it patently incorrect it does seriously call into question the other opinions expressed.

Valid - Sound, defensible, well grounded. - The authors statement was none of these.

ensonricky said:

If something it patently incorrect it does seriously call into question the other opinions expressed.

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In your opinion

(Sorry, couldn't resist that! )

Come on Scrogg nail your colours to the mast, tell me the diesel is more refined at tickover and I'll call the men in white coats now.

I'll park them next to each other tomorrow and leave them both running for a bit...

...then I'll let you know!

I suggest a seismograph and a decibel meter may be helpful, that way we can remove opinion from the equation.

The seismograph wil be particularly useful when testing the diesel, it may not register a reading from the petrol engined cars.

That all sounds a bit technical.

I'll just get my ex wife to listen to them both and decide which one is more refined. She's always right!

Scrogg said:

I'll just get my ex wife to listen to them both and decide which one is more refined. She's always right!

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petrol is very quiet as thou it aint running inside

diesel has that low rumble but hardly notice it if you have the radio on or even if your just talking to your passengers

both very good imo