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Hartlee Engineering Ltd
Tel: 01227 215052
53 Tile Kiln Hill, Blean, Canterbury, CT2 9EE

or

Thanet Engine Centre
Unit 4
St. Lawrence Industrial Estate
Manston Road
Ramsgate
Kent
CT11 0QZ
Phone: 01843 583 672
01843 585 455

Many thanks - I'll pop over tomorrow....

Popped into the machinists Hartlee and they weren't very interested....leave it with me but if its too much trouble I wont bother.....
SO
Off to Thanet Engine Centre this afternoon - e-mail exchange seems that all is good

So..the crankcase is now in the hands of the right people....boring out the bores to 86.25 mm and machining off the cylinder plane by 1.3mm ready for the re-inforcing plate.
Crank,up-rated clutch,(lightened) flywheel, rods and pistons should be ready after Easter along with the "HOT" head - which is where the gains are....
FZD carb re-built, tinware cleaned, new alloy fan, new thermostat fitted.....Zelmot alternator re-built...new fuel pump.....just got to workout the throttle cable/linkage.
Replacement five speed casting finally arrived and I have the speedo gear machined, now just waiting for the 2nd gear syncro hub to be ground down before the fun of re-building the transmission......it will be better than new hopefully.
Do any of you have English instructions for the five speed kits - only my Italian translated version is a bit all over the place..........?

New standard brakes and standard suspension will be completed next week and will be up-rated through the year.....along with a wealth of planned up-grades.
Parts to work with include ......Carrello "half moon" spotlights, Borrani wheels, period racing 5 clock dashboard, four inertia seat belts, home made disc conversion - plenty to keep me thinking...

will it be like this???

I take it Thanet were okay then?
Sounds like you have it all sorted. This should be an interesting build.

I have found an original Giannini tuning sump with additional air cooling ducts - any idea why this technique is not used on the modern alloy sump I have?

I believe perseived wisdom is not to use a gasket but to use sealant.....if so what torque setting please?

I have a Giannini alloy sump 3.5ltr but with ribs. The one you have there looks like it relies on the same method of cooling as the standard tin sump in that a tunnel of air is ducted from the fan. The gasket is either cork or rubber, I chose rubber. I didn't use sealant and used new hex head bolts. Tighten them all up hand tight and then tighten in an order you would if it was the head ie opposites in an order. Didn't do to a specific torque just what felt right. After it had been for a run and everything was hot I checked for leaks and/or loose bolts but everything was good.
Damian

I agree with Damian--use the RUBBER gasket. I put a light smear of blue Hylomar on both sides and used stainless cap-head (Allen bolt) bolts. I also used the original Fiat sump washers as they give a slight spring tension to the bolts. As Damian said, it is a matter of going round and round nipping the bolts up until they all have an equal tension--with the rubberoid gasket, they can be done up quite tight without spreading the gasket. Looking at the sump, it just seems to be an alloy (albeit with 3.5 litres in it instead of the factory 2 and a bit) version of the factory tin sump, complete with air-channel to aid cooling.

thank you guys
the sump appears to have both fins and a cooling duct.....I already have a new alloy one awaiting fitting - I'm just getting impatient for engine parts to be returned so my car can be roadworthy....trying not to shop for un-necessary items whilst waiting.....
door mirrors have been my recent "fixation" if you'll allow the pun...........

Talking of trying not to shop for uncessary items, I founder a cheaper one available for you..
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Volante-completo-Fiat-500-600-Abarth-e-850-1000-con-riga-bianca-wheel-new-/161154389158

It comes without the horn button, but axel Gerst supply these

bugger..........thats the one.........Paypal..........??

I will buy it and then hit an un-expected spend......you watch....
Mind you it will still look good up on stilts with that wheel fitted....

Hi - still resolving machining issue with crankcase......Tony at Middle Barton is calling me tomorrow for a chat - so optomistic of a resolution soon.....

In the mean time it turns out one of my kingpins / stub axles is bent and fit only for the bin.....no doubt a hangover from previously discovered crash damage.
SO
I have bought 2 refurbished 126 stub axles with a P.C.D. of 4 x 98mm - and I'm wanting to run 190's

This means I need to advance the disc brake conversion - can your collective experiences assist please.

I have bought Sciecento calipers - aside from the discs and pads what else will I require?

Do the discs come with bearings that fit directly on the stubs?

What are the best spacers to use?

I had planned to do this upgrade in the fullness of time BUT my hand was forced by the damage to the 500 stub

Your wisdoms are awaited please....

Andy;
Why not just fit adaptor plates for the time being? When I purchase my 500 it already had 126 hubs (98pcd) but the previous owner had bolted adaptor plates which allowed him to fit 190pcd alloys. Unfortunately, when I was made an offer too good to refuse for my alloys, the adaptor plates went with them. Ricambio International sell them (in pairs, complete with bolts)--they are listed in the 'Classic Fiat 500 modifications' section. These bolt onto the 126 hubs, but allow you to fit original 190pcd wheels. They do increase the track a bit (the thickness of the plates) but if you are running standard suspension this will not affect you.

Hi Tom
- I had no idea that you could fit spacers over the drums....
I have 190 pcd drums and two lug 500 backplates - so does the 98 pcd stub not need a 98 drum and the different 3 lug backplate?

Andrew, if you are getting the 126 front swivels, won't you need matching back-plates, hubs and brake drums?
It looks like the adaptors for the 500 wheels will then bolt through the 126 drums into the hub at 98mm spacing..

You have more will power on the budget than me Andrew. If I was needing to replace the steering knuckles along with fitting front discs I would have gone for these...
http://www.500ricambi.it/dettagli.asp?sid=89807261020150415233755&idp=1392&categoria=43



cheers, Steve

The 126 drums, plates ect were what I thought I'd have to buy....and don't want to.....


so got some calipers...do the discs fit straight on the stub....with what hub / bearing?

AndrewHarvey said:

The 126 drums, plates ect were what I thought I'd have to buy....and don't want to.....


so got some calipers...do the discs fit straight on the stub....with what hub / bearing?

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You'll need 126 hubs, bearings, seals and end caps to fit onto stub axle and bolt disc onto. You'll also need backing plates to mount calipers to.

Discs will not come with any of these, so you'll have to source them. Should be relatively easy.

I opted to go for disc and hub assembly that fit the 500 stub axles and retain the 4x190 PCD. I'll see if this was a good move when they arrive.

cheers, Steve