General First 500, First Post, First Drive!

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General First 500, First Post, First Drive!

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Having rolled the dice, I picked up a 500L with 650cc enginge and syncro gearbox from Turin in November (photos attached). It had a couple of months at the local garage for an MOT - new king pins; front leaf spring; brake cyclinders and shoes; seat belts; floor pan; and oils changed, and we are just back from our first drive...

Bellissimo!

However, whilst it's had an MOT, I thought it worthwhile just seeing what advice you good folks have on any check list for a new car... also, the engine is not running perfectly - it idles high (with manual throtle pushed in) and, when accelerating in gear, the revs drop before picking back up.

At some point in the future I plan on getting it up to Middle Barton for a service, but I am just wondering what a non-mechanic who isn't afraid of a spanner could do in the meantime (I do have the Haynes manuals for the 500 and 126 and a well stocked tool box!).

Grazie mille!
 

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Thanks Damian - I'll get such into that tomorrow. Thanks for the advice and the link. A strong start to life on this forum :)
 
Hi - did you drive your car back?
I'm about to drive from Pescara to Canterbury in my new purchase.....
 
Hi Andrew,

Did you buy the blue one with red interior that was on eBay from pescara? I sent my cousin (who lives there) to see it the other day. I was thinking of buying it too, then was going to drive it down to Calabria to our family home there so I could have one for here and one for there! My wife got wind of my plan, and well that was that! Haha!
 
No she's solid. What hotel did you book? I lived there for 3 years, I can recommend some lovely restaurants!
 
Parc Hotel Villa Immacolata......then a long bumpy ride back to uk.....breakdown cover essential.
Any gems of experience or knowledge of 500's that might help please?
 
Only what the others have said in your other post. Have you managed to source breakdown cover? When I looked most providers wouldn't cover cars that old. Also, the listing stated that he was selling without the need for the passagio. Is this what you're doing? Because without that the car won't be legally allowed to drive as you'll have no number plates. I think there's a cheap way of temp ones but I'd double check.
 
Hi Andrew - unfortunately, I didn't have the time to drive it back, so brought it back on a trailer.. would love to have driven it back, although given how much was done for the MOT, I'm now glad I didn't! Best of luck with your trip.

Damian - I went through all that site suggested and it has made quite a difference to the dip in revs when accelerating. Unfortuntaely, even with the idle screw all the way in, it still idles high, so I think the gaskets are next to check. I've ordered an overhaul kit and will take it from there...
 
Hi Andrew - unfortunately, I didn't have the time to drive it back, so brought it back on a trailer.. would love to have driven it back, although given how much was done for the MOT, I'm now glad I didn't! Best of luck with your trip.

Damian - I went through all that site suggested and it has made quite a difference to the dip in revs when accelerating. Unfortuntaely, even with the idle screw all the way in, it still idles high, so I think the gaskets are next to check. I've ordered an overhaul kit and will take it from there...

Did adjusting the mixture screw make any difference to the engine revs? It's quite common for the little fragile pin head on the end of the mixture screw to break off and if that happens the mixture screw does virtually nothing. You will get a new one in the carb overhaul kit.

Tony
 
Hi Tony. I didn't remove the screw, so couldn't say if it was damaged. Whilst it didn't make any audible difference when I turned it in (with the engine on), it did eliminate the dip in revs when accellerating. Hoping that a bit of a sping clean, new gaskets etc., will get it running properly.

I took the car out this afternoon and it seem to run well, although it was rather thirsty on the drink... about 1/2 a tank for 50/60 miles. If that is excessive, then makes me think that a right mixture and a carb that isn't air tight may be to blame... should find out in a few days' time...
 
Yeah the carb is the weak point on these little cars causes more problems than anything especially the base gasket on to the block.

Peter aka Fiat500 is the king of carb cleaning. If I remember rightly he boiled his in a pan of hot water on the stove to clean all the orifices out!!!!!

Does sound a little thirsty.

Tony
 
hi
I'm bringing it back on the Italian plates and then returning them upon my arrival. Registering the tranfer on the day of collection and then the long trip home.
What distance can i realistically cover per day in the little beastie?
 
Andrew, I would guess that 250 miles a day would be more than enough for your stress levels, although you may well be really "going for it" and achieve a hundred more. That would be a real killer drive and might put you off the car for life.
Are you going soon or waiting for better weather?
 
I'm travelling out on 18th Feb.....leaving my six children behind...just me and the good lady....gotta get a move on really.........grandparents are elderly!!
 
So, progress, almost...

I took the carb off (a Weber 28, which is on a 126 650cc engine) and gave it a good clean out. There wasn't as much grit/ grime in the reservoir as I was hoping for (!)..but I did replace all jets, gaskets etc. (I didn't go as far as replacing the spindle as it looked in good order). Two things I came across were:

1) The end of the choke cable was bent such that I question whether there would be sufficient tension in the cable to engage the choke lever on the carb (i.e. the bent cable would, unbend, and take up the slack). So, first question is, how easy is it to push another choke cable through the existing outer or should I attempt to straighten the existing cable in the first instance? I suspect this is the source of the issue that the choke lever didn't make any audible changes to how the engine ran..

2) The fuel return outlet was all taped up and underneath the tape, a large pin had been jammed down the eyelet... I didn't tape it back up, leaving it (presumably) blocked. I pieced everything back together and installed the carb back on the block. I unscrewed the choke and idle screws quite a bit and after a few goes it spluttered into a start, with some accelerator encouragement, and died after I pulled up on the pedal. I went back to the engine to start adjusting screws (see below my thoughts on turning) and saw fuel everywhere! My initial thought was that the return feed had not been blocked afterall, but having since given it some thought, the excees outlet points forward yet the fuel was in the tray and pooled in other dips on the front side of the engine (i.e. the other side from the return value). Frustratingly, I ran out of daylight before I could investigate further... but when I get the chance, I'll dry dialing in the mixture screw and starting again. So my other question is, can dialed out mixture/ idle screws cause such significant leakage? I took great care piecing it back together, with all screws done up tightly. If it is the fuel return valve, then I would be tempted to put a t-piece in back to the fuel hose from the pump to the carb leaving whatever is jammed in there...

I'm grateful for any pointers ahead of me getting the chance at turning it again later in the week.


Finally, and on tuning... my thoughts were to get the idle screw set such that it ticks over, winding it back 1/2 turn from a position that sees a warmed engine cut out. Then, with that set, I'd do the same with the mix screw, taking it back 1/2 turn from a position that see a warmed idling engine splutter. Again, any points on this would be much appreciated.

Thank you for your time and patience!
 
So, progress, almost...

I took the carb off (a Weber 28, which is on a 126 650cc engine) and gave it a good clean out. There wasn't as much grit/ grime in the reservoir as I was hoping for (!)..but I did replace all jets, gaskets etc. (I didn't go as far as replacing the spindle as it looked in good order). Two things I came across were:

1) The end of the choke cable was bent such that I question whether there would be sufficient tension in the cable to engage the choke lever on the carb (i.e. the bent cable would, unbend, and take up the slack). So, first question is, how easy is it to push another choke cable through the existing outer or should I attempt to straighten the existing cable in the first instance? I suspect this is the source of the issue that the choke lever didn't make any audible changes to how the engine ran..

Its simple enough just to push a new cable in as it is a solid cable. Just cut off the bent bits on the old cable and pull it through. You need to take the centre console off to get to the levers. Squirt a bit of WD40 down the outer first and hopefully it should slide through

2) The fuel return outlet was all taped up and underneath the tape, a large pin had been jammed down the eyelet... I didn't tape it back up, leaving it (presumably) blocked. I pieced everything back together and installed the carb back on the block. I unscrewed the choke and idle screws quite a bit and after a few goes it spluttered into a start, with some accelerator encouragement, and died after I pulled up on the pedal. I went back to the engine to start adjusting screws (see below my thoughts on turning) and saw fuel everywhere! My initial thought was that the return feed had not been blocked afterall, but having since given it some thought, the excees outlet points forward yet the fuel was in the tray and pooled in other dips on the front side of the engine (i.e. the other side from the return value). Frustratingly, I ran out of daylight before I could investigate further... but when I get the chance, I'll dry dialing in the mixture screw and starting again. So my other question is, can dialed out mixture/ idle screws cause such significant leakage? I took great care piecing it back together, with all screws done up tightly. If it is the fuel return valve, then I would be tempted to put a t-piece in back to the fuel hose from the pump to the carb leaving whatever is jammed in there...

The adjustment screws shouldn't cause any leakage unless possibly they are way screwed out. It's probably the fuel return, if it was a tight seal then there would be no reason to tape it up further. See if you can get the pin out completely and the put a T piece in before the fuel pump and return it to there. Don't put it between the pump and carb as you may screw up the fuel being pumped up to the carb at pressure and end up forcing it up the return line.
I'm grateful for any pointers ahead of me getting the chance at turning it again later in the week.


Finally, and on tuning... my thoughts were to get the idle screw set such that it ticks over, winding it back 1/2 turn from a position that sees a warmed engine cut out. Then, with that set, I'd do the same with the mix screw, taking it back 1/2 turn from a position that see a warmed idling engine splutter. Again, any points on this would be much appreciated.

Thank you for your time and patience!
Carb tuning just set the idle where it is smoothest and seems happiest and not too fast. The turn in the mixture screw until it begins to run rougher, then simply turn it out a quarter of a turn at a time until it runs at is best, you can then try dropping the idle speed a bit lower if it allows you to without affecting the smoothness.
Tony
 
Hi Tony,

Many thanks for the pointers - I suspect you've saved me hours' bent over that engine!

I've ordered a replacement choke cable, which arrives later today. Sounds like a simple install.

As for the carb... the t-piece should arrive later today and in the meantime, I've replaced the fuel line from the pump to the carb just in case there was a leak from the old, brittle hose. As for the leak... I'm rather embarassed to say that, after a bit of a closer inspection, I found it to be coming from the cap on the top of the carb under which the little fuel filter sits... the cap wasn't done up tight enough :doh: a few turns with a spanner and all is well!

I'll still look to take the pin out of the return and pipe it into the fuel line before the pump, but tightening the cap has solved the immediate leak and, with your advice the carb is well tuned and the car is running great!

Thanks again.

Steve
 
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