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I see that I can access the speedo from behind the gas tank. I still don't see how I can access the screws to take off the under dash padding.
 
Hi Labman,

As Owen said, you have to remove the gas tank to get at the nuts for the knee pads.

As timing would have it, I am in the process of re-upholstering my knee pads. I've taken a couple of photos to show the locations of the nuts Owen was talking about. In the photos, they are where the yellow circles are, situated right in the bend of the sheet metal of the body. My car is Right-Hand Drive so, the photos may be mirror images of what yours looks like. The larger knee pad has three studs/bolts holding it on, the smaller one has two.

Taking the gas tank out is straightforward: Disconnect the fuel line and the two wires. The two bolts easily visible at the ends of the tank straps are all that is holding it in. Remove the bolts and straps. The straps and tank will then come right out. If you have a lot of fuel in the tank, you may want to drain it off first leaving the fuel line connected at the tank and disconnecting the fuel line in the engine compartment, preferably the lowest-most point in the line. The tank should then drain via suction.

With the tank out, all the nuts for the knee pad are easily accessible. Altho for me, I had to remove one of the windshield wiper motors to get to one of the nuts. In the first photo, the left-most yellow circle indicates that the nut for the knee pad is behind the wiper motor mount. To do this, you'll have to disconnect the motor from the linkage (watch for small washers that will come off, too), undo the three bolts and disconnect the wiring harness. Maybe a good idea to disconnect the battery first, too.

Cheers,

-bob
 

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Hi Labman,

As Owen said, you have to remove the gas tank to get at the nuts for the knee pads.

As timing would have it, I am in the process of re-upholstering my knee pads. I've taken a couple of photos to show the locations of the nuts Owen was talking about. In the photos, they are where the yellow circles are, situated right in the bend of the sheet metal of the body. My car is Right-Hand Drive so, the photos may be mirror images of what yours looks like. The larger knee pad has three studs/bolts holding it on, the smaller one has two.

Taking the gas tank out is straightforward: Disconnect the fuel line and the two wires. The two bolts easily visible at the ends of the tank straps are all that is holding it in. Remove the bolts and straps. The straps and tank will then come right out. If you have a lot of fuel in the tank, you may want to drain it off first leaving the fuel line connected at the tank and disconnecting the fuel line in the engine compartment, preferably the lowest-most point in the line. The tank should then drain via suction.

With the tank out, all the nuts for the knee pad are easily accessible. Altho for me, I had to remove one of the windshield wiper motors to get to one of the nuts. In the first photo, the left-most yellow circle indicates that the nut for the knee pad is behind the wiper motor mount. To do this, you'll have to disconnect the motor from the linkage (watch for small washers that will come off, too), undo the three bolts and disconnect the wiring harness. Maybe a good idea to disconnect the battery first, too.

Cheers,

-bob

This is great! Big help. Thanks.
 
This is great! Big help. Thanks.

Hi Labman

Here's what I did with mine, used wood knee pads from this German supplier, www.fiatclassic.com, I think they look good but as they were for a LHD (it's all they have), there's me thinking a straight swap small piece for large piece, left for right no problem. Wrong, the actual profiles are not correct for this so the 2 pieces became 5 pieces, bonded back together and filled, copious amounts of varnish and stain and the outcome looks ok, (I think). I did panic though as they cost a bit and I was not sure I'd do anything but ruin the parts. Worked out ok though. Bob was right too, I had to remove the wiper motor bracket to access the bolts on the one side. Good luck.:cool:
 

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Hi Labman

Here's what I did with mine, used wood knee pads from this German supplier, www.fiatclassic.com, I think they look good but as they were for a LHD (it's all they have), there's me thinking a straight swap small piece for large piece, left for right no problem. Wrong, the actual profiles are not correct for this so the 2 pieces became 5 pieces, bonded back together and filled, copious amounts of varnish and stain and the outcome looks ok, (I think). I did panic though as they cost a bit and I was not sure I'd do anything but ruin the parts. Worked out ok though. Bob was right too, I had to remove the wiper motor bracket to access the bolts on the one side. Good luck.:cool:

Very nice! I think it looks great. I need a set of floor mats like those also.
 
Hi again Labman,

I was just reading a newer post about fuel tank removal and it dawned on me that I forgot to mention a metal plate that sits behind and below the tank that can move about as you pull the tank out and scratch the paint...

Fiat500 just posted very nice instructions on tank removal in this post: https://www.fiatforum.com/500-classic/356694-petrol-tank.html

My only other comment is that the two straps holding the tank down are not identical: the metal tabs on top (one holds the speedo cable and the other holds the fuel line) have different orientations (At least on mine). Be cautious of those metal tabs: You'll know it when your hand scrapes across them!!
 
I was "lucky" my metal tabs had rusted off, otherwise my hands, which are magnetically attracted to sharp edges would undoubtedly have detected them:mad:
I bought replacement straps made from stainless steel which I do not recommend....overpriced and not as originally made. These are made for left hand drive so I discovered that as the speedo is on the left, consequently both tabs are on the left strap.
I didn't use it if anyone needs one.
 
Hi again Labman,

I was just reading a newer post about fuel tank removal and it dawned on me that I forgot to mention a metal plate that sits behind and below the tank that can move about as you pull the tank out and scratch the paint...

Fiat500 just posted very nice instructions on tank removal in this post: https://www.fiatforum.com/500-classic/356694-petrol-tank.html

My only other comment is that the two straps holding the tank down are not identical: the metal tabs on top (one holds the speedo cable and the other holds the fuel line) have different orientations (At least on mine). Be cautious of those metal tabs: You'll know it when your hand scrapes across them!!

Beleive it or not, I got to the three nuts behind the gas tank without removing it!. I just had to disconnect the defroster tubes and use an extension on my ratchet. Of course the easiest one on the extreme left is pretty rusted on and I'm having difficulty getting it off. I let it soak overnight with some WD-40 on it.
Now the other one I see I will have to remove the wiper motor but that one is in pretty good shape so I will most likely leave that alone.
I did change the windshield washer pumper button as I got to it easier now that the knee pad was loose. Reinstalled it and it doesn't work! I guess there must me a clog somewhere. I'm just going to replace all the tubing now to resolve the issue.
 
On the pipe end in the washer bag there should be a brass non return valve; I put an inline one in as well, I had to suck water through to get it primed and the pipes only worked one way round.
I found two kneepad nuts just sheared so when refitting I used polyurethane sealant carefully placed so as not to squeeze out and be seen. It's used for external trim so is very strong.
 
On the pipe end in the washer bag there should be a brass non return valve; I put an inline one in as well, I had to suck water through to get it primed and the pipes only worked one way round.
I found two kneepad nuts just sheared so when refitting I used polyurethane sealant carefully placed so as not to squeeze out and be seen. It's used for external trim so is very strong.

Hmmmm...don't have that brass valve on there. Maybe I will install an inline valve used in fish tanks and see if that works.
 
Update....I did some exploring and found out that the line from the bag to the pump was squished under the fuse block. It was hidden from view but I found it while tracing the tube up from the bag. Works perfectly now!
Sometimes you have to be a detective.


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