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Old 24-06-2014   #16
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Rusty holes...very exciting to me

I see what you mean..it hasn't rusted very quickly at all (48 years) but I meant that because you are being thorough, (unlike the person you bought it off by the sound of things), it has gone from being an apparently fit and healthy car to being hospitalised like mine.

Sean's spot-on though, once you see bits going back on it's a great relief. Have you got a body repair shop sorted yet?
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So I'm replacing the front panel and battery bay panel but not the front wings. As the flange on the front wing is welded to the flange on the front panel how do I get the old front panel off and still leave enough of the flange on the wings to weld the new front panel to?
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Still stuck on a couple of issues which I hope you guys can help me out with. First is getting the passenger side wiper splined shaft off the car. Get's half way and then get's stuck on vent cowling as you can see in the photos
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Don't mind doing some damage to get it out as this can then be fixed but it needs to go back in nice and smooth as I can't damage the new paint work. Anybody had a similar problem or am I missing something blindingly obvious?
Still can't see how to get the front panel off without doing some damage to the front wing flanges. Anybody who's removed theirs, how did you do it please?
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Damian, it looks like you might have an adaptor on the wiper spline which I haven't seen before. If you can extract that you will have a very dainty spline and the idler mechanism should wiggle out.
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To remove the scrap front panel whilst saving the wings, using an grinder ideally with a very thin cutting disc make a cut down each side and along the bottom of the panel about a centimetre inboard of the welded flanges. The vertical and horizontal cuts need to connect so that the bulk of the panel drops out.
You will then see the spot welds as depressons in the steel of the flanges. Change to a grinding disc and carefully grind each spot and gradually tidy up the edges. Do this very methodically and you will need to be inventive with pliers to keep twisting off the slivers of steel.
Assess the whole project for safety first as a lot of protection will be needed.
I used this method in reverse to save the front panel.
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I just took a picture on my car and it doesn't make any difference if the car is LHD or RHD the wipers are mounted in the same place. As Peter said it looks like different to mine.



It seems Fiat changed the mechanism design when the L came out and as my car is an F it won't be much good to you but the one on the F just slips out with ease as it is much thinner.

Is that white bit pressed up against the cowling made of plastic?
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The wiper pivots are actually in very different positions for RHD and LHD- I have converted the wipers on my Giardiniera from LHD to RHD and had to weld up and redrill the holes in mirror image. the 'slave' pivot is interchangeable for RHD/LHD but I have never seen the large spline pivots used on any RHD 500's even up to late 1972- were they used on LHD models?
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Correct Damon, as I found having to weld them and redrill on the repair panel for that area, which is made for LHD. If anything, I would think a LHD would present fewer difficulties with catching on the ducts as that is the way it was primarily designed. I still think the key is taking off that adaptor, if that is what it is.

Great photo Tony by the way; do you have one of those endoscopic cameras?
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Great photo Tony by the way; do you have one of those endoscopic cameras?
Yes Peter it's called an iPhone.
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Thanks guys. I think the easiest thing for me to do is to cut away the white plastic on mine and then it should come away more easily. I'll then have to look into getting a similar mechanism to what Tony has got. Mine is an F model so should have been the same

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Yes Peter it's called an iPhone.
That's not what my doctor used

Looking again at that photo could it be that someone has shoved in that plastic as a crude spacer to put some tension on the arm as it fits to the activating linkage, to stop it rotating on the shaft having come loose?. I think I had one come adrift there once.
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That's not what my doctor used

Looking again at that photo could it be that someone has shoved in that plastic as a crude spacer to put some tension on the arm as it fits to the activating linkage, to stop it rotating on the shaft having come loose?. I think I had one come adrift there once.
I think someone has done a bodge job Peter. Looking at the picture you can see that the thread part appears to be plastic as well, in the other picture it looks the same plus the splines are totally wrong. Here is a picture of the splines on my car, this is before the I put the retaining bolts on to hold the splines in place, there should be little nuts on the end that hold the wipers on.

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Spare part does show a plastic bit
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True it's a bit odd, but further down it does show one similar to mine labelled N/D, so either my car has an older style assembly fitted and Damian's the newer. Considering they are both 500 F's on D plates is even more confusing. The only difference being mine is RHD and his LHD. I am 99.9% that I was the first person to remove the assembly from my car, so I am confident it is original.

The only reasonable conclusion I can come up with. Is obviously they would have come down different production lines for assembly. Because there would have been less RHD being made perhaps they had plenty of the older type wiper assemblies left over and continued to use them all up and on the LHD production line they started to use the newer ones as shown in Damian's picture?????
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Mine is definitely plastic with plastic nuts holding it on. If I had a choice I would rather fit back the old N/D version because it will just slide back in whereas mine will be a struggle and I don't want to end up damaging the new paint job trying to get it back in. I'm off to Italy in August so I think I will hunt out a Fiat 500 spares shop and see what versions they have available. Watch this space come the rebuild to see how it concludes.

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