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Re: 500F Rebuild

Joe,

I also had minor problems with the drum brake linings binding - the new ones seem a lot thicker. I'll solve it by driving the car. My old brakes were similar to yours - very out of round drums with either leaking or sticking pistons. Made for an exciting drive down the hill from my place.

Your car is looking magnificent. Maybe you should replace the front badge with the Spirit of Ecstacy - the RR symbol, not the drug - instead of the Fiat badge.

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Not a lot of progress and not much prospect of getting anything much else done for the next 4 or 5 weeks.

Slowly getting my work area back to some semblence of order with more parts on the car than in boxes and on my benches. Even though it is a bit slow, things are going forward. I have however put a fairly major scratch in the paintwork, but more on that later.

I have basically finished under the bonnet. Have to sort out the battery clamp and some rubber grommets but that should be easy enough. I purchased a rubber seal for the bonnet. Not quite the same shape as the
original and the rubber plugs that I also purchased to hold it in place will not work. I will find a solution I am sure. I have to admit here that I also scratched the paintwork fairly severly under the bonnet. Is OK though. There was so much paint over the chassis number it could not be read. I made myself a sanding mask in the correct shape and proceded to sand and scrape all the paint away. Got back to bare metal and then
put a coat of clear lacquer over the bare patch. I had to do all this as I can't get the car registered unless the inspector can record the number. I can honestly say I was not keen to do this at all.

The front end is mosty together now. I still have to tighten up the front hub bearings and sort out the track rod lengths to get some sort of wheel alignment going.

Rear suspension parts / brakes / fuel lines etc are in. Like the front I have to set the bearing preloads and sort out a couple of rubber grommets. Brakes are still really tight, not sure if driving the car is the way to wear them in so I will have to have a look at a better solution.

Inside has had a little work as well, steering is in as is the speedo. Have run the wiring for the rear view mirror so it runs under the window seal. I have to get the upholsterer in to look at the carpet over the centre tunnel and around the pedal area. Needs a fair amount of rework to get it all to sit correctly. Even though I have never used it before I am going to put the hand throttle back in. The plastic sheath, around the wire carrier is perished but I am going to use some shrink tube to tidy this up. Have tested this on a small area already and it looks OK. Not sure that you see much of the cable anyway.

As noted in a separate post, I am having issues with the 3/4 vent frames. I just can't get the aftermarket ones to fit as well as I would like so I have taken both of the originals to an electroplating place. Owner
has told me he will strip the existing coating, look at what repairs are needed, repair them and then rechrome. Will be two weeks before I get them back, I will let you know how I get on. Frames are stopping me from
putting the doors together. Apart from the drivetrain, the door assembly is the biggest task outstanding.

Have seen the engine and it looks OK. Has been stripped and blasted as part of the rebuild process, I think it is going to look fairly neat when the black shrouds are back on. Needed a new head as the original has been 'skimmed' to the limit. Second hand one has been sourced already. Getting new rings and shells as well. Hopefully will have it back by the end of November but I am not holding my breath.

Apart from that I have been polishing bits in frustration. Inside door fittings came up really good, as did the outer door handles. (I even got some new keys cut!) Could not help myself so I polished the carby and
the rear engine mount as well. What can I say, I was in a polishing frenzy, had my dremel rotary tool in my hand and the carby was just there on the bench.......... Cleaned up the steering wheel before I fit it as well.

Still lots to do so I have started putting a list together. Will post an update when I make more progress. I have included lots of photos. Sorry about the flare frm the flash in some of them.

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Very nice and clean.
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Re: 500F Rebuild

DROOL!

You are at the best part...when everything you cleaned, renewed, replaced starts going back together and looking darn good together.

Those last photos make me want to be a better man....to my Fiat anyway, the rest will follow .

BTW, when you put the spedo back in place, did you find an original style rubber gasket or what did you use. As far as the spedo goes, is that style easy to take apart and clean? I believe I saw some metal tabs that might need to be bent and I am always afraid things like that might break.

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Re: 500F Rebuild

Must agree - very, very nice

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Phil, thanks for your kind words.

My gasket was OK so it went back in, not sure where you can get another one from but I suspect they are available.

As for the speedo itself, it comes apart from the front. The chrome ring around the front is held in by three tabs that are visible from the back. You are correct in your thoughts, these are very thin and I suspect they will not take a lot of bending before they break. Having said that, you don't have to work them much to free the ring. When the ring comes off the clear palstic face comes off and the black numbered ring as well.

This is as far as I got (and should be as far as you need to go to do a clean up) because after that the indicator needle has to come off before you can undo the two screws holding the actual face of the speedo on. (This has the red I II III indcators on it).

Now I tried this with a speedo many years ago and I don't think I ever got it back together where the needle indication was correct. Needle was floating in the middle of nowhere rather than sitting against the 0 stop.
I think the spindle that the needle pushes onto needs to be under a little tension before you push the needle back on.

I have included a photo of an old speedo pulled apart as far as I could go. You can see that you need take the needle and the face off before you can get to anything else (whatever that is).

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Re: 500F Rebuild

Phil,

New speedo gasket is available here -

http://www.fiat500ricambi.com/fiat50...product=RB1026

Not cheap and required a tiny bit of trimming to fit, but better than my old rotten one.

BTW, speedos are available NOS if you hunt around a bit. You can get them calibrated in mph and kph.

'Taratura classe verde' stamped on the dial translates as class green calibration, but what it actually means beats me
Probably should have been 'tartaruga classe verde' = class green turtle given how quick these cars were

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Quick question for someone who has an unrestored car.

My photo shows the wiring to the brake master and horn running along the inside of the front guard (or wing or fender pending where you are from)and then down behind the washer bag and then through a grommet to the underside of the car.

Shoud this part of the loom actually come straight down from the fuse box and then around the inside of the wheel arch to the grommet? (where it would be mostly covered by the rubber mat that eventually sits in that area)

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Thanks for the info on the spedo guys. I will be sure not to take it apart any further than shown here. Like you say, I just want to clean the lens and face a pinch. Bambino, I did see that gasket but it looked a pinch different. I thought it looked close enough but was not sure if there was one I had not seen yet.

Joe, the wiring on my car is so hacked, I can't tell you for sure like someone else might. For what it is worth mine seems to run above the fender and not at the bottom of it.
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Vas,
The gasket is a bit different and requires some minor trimming to make it fit properly.

Joe,
I've attached a photo of the wiring in that area of my car prior to removal. On my car, that part of the wiring runs along the inside of the front guard.

hope this helps,

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Thanks Chris.

When I look at my car it just looks odd and I know that I don't have a lot of cable lenght to tidy it up and keep it roughly where it is.

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This is what I did, not original but maybe a bit neater. The extra red wire is for the starter motor.

Still have to hook up the windscreen washer ....

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The restoration is coming along very well, I wish that I could get my hands on one. The ones that are for sale here in South Africa go for more than R100 000 (roughly 8300), they are fully restored cars. My dad owned a 500 before he got married and he said he absolute loved the car and especially the long suspension travel that it had meant it could go anywhere.
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Guys,

a merry Xmas to you all. I hope you all have a great day and can still fit in your car after lunch.....

You may remember I had issues with my qtr vent window frames. My originals had rusted out so I got some stainless ones as replacements. Problems with the new ones was that they were the wrong shape, the pivot point was at the wrong angle and trying to bend the pivot just broke them off. I think others have managed with these parts, not sure why I had so many issues.

Long story short, I took my old ones to a plating business and without blinking an eye the owner said 'I can fix that'. I got them back last night and they look so good. These guys deal with this sort of thing all the time, I don't know why I did not check the repair process out first. I can now get on and put my doors together. I am not going to use a rubber seal in the frame to hold the glass in, I am going to use a sealant instead. If anyone sees any issues with that can you let me know please?

I bought a battery so I could start testing my electrics. Thought my major issue was going to be with earthing out the components. As it turns out this looks like it will not be a problem. There are other gremlins though. (and why is no one surprised?) Biggest issue is that when the lighting master switch on the dash is off the lights behave as they should when I use the column stalk. When the master is on the stalk has no effect. This is the reverse of what it should be and I am not sure how this can be, but it is my little challenge at the moment. I know with these things that you just have to focus on one thing and work it through. By fixing one problem you generally fix a second as well. One thing I have done is to use lengths of old house fuse wire (of the correct rating) to repair a fuse I kept blowing. Lot less expensive when testing that using a new one each time. Will revert back to a proper one now that I have resolved that particular problem.

Nothing much else, still polishing parts in frustration whilst waiting for other things to come together. I have purchased a set of Fiamm air horns from a 124 CC coupe (had one of these years ago and just had to have the same horn for the 500). If you have read my post would you be surprised to hear that I have stripped the compressor and trumpets and started cleaning them with a view to painting? (If you think this is over the top, I can post a link to a Ferrari enthusiast site, they have pages and pages dedicated to these things, correct finishes, ID plates, serial numbers and stampings etc) Not a lot of space under the front to mount the trumpets but I will find a way. I plan on using the relay that came with it and running a separate circuit to a dedicated fuse / power supply. I can only try.

I have included on photo of my shiny bits, a mixture of what I have done at home with a polishing wheel and what I got back from the plating shop. Not all finished and again, I could not help myself, the engine mount was just there when I was doing other things.....

Have a good one and please keep the photo's coming. No one cares the state your car is in, I think we all just like seeing what you are up to.

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Hi Joe,
Looks very nice and shiny- well done! I'm sure urethaning the quarter glasses in will be easier than using insertion rubber- I used to have problems with the brackets coming off the bottom of the door glasses on my 500F until I urethaned it- has been fine for the last 20 years..
Hopefully this isn't too simplistic as a diagnosis but the electrical problem with your lights sounds like the master switch is mounted upside down.. either that or reverse the wiring on the switch.
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