That is strange because when ever I have had that on ebay ebay have always said they can't force a seller to sell some thing.

I'd advise you thought you was getting something for nearly nothing you didn't but lost nothing, you don't want a refund on the other parts, so calm down sit tight and wait for them.


It doesn't seem to be anything other members need to worry about.

Thanks Dave,

A calm voice of reason.

I have sat tight for 10 weeks, but I am genuinely worried that I'll never get the parts, and that Mr Fiat have a darkside to their business.
The buy it now situation is the oldest scam in the book. It's known by a few names such as "fishing". A victim is lured into a sale with a bargain price (the hook) and signs up. Then when it comes to pay they are presented with unreasonable T & C's or small print to boost the price they owe. If they kick up a fuss then they are discredited as a fool who wants something for nothing.
I mistook the safety of an ebay buy it now auction to protect me from this sort of scam.

If Mr Fiat is so genuine and sincere I would like him to explain where my items are that I have paid $500 for, and if they are a genuine business why do they consistantly decieve customers into parting with thier hard earned cash by offering goods for sale that they simply do not have?????

Dont take just my word for it see their ebay feedback below:

Ebay item No 200890078779, Porsche 911 Turn Lens. Buyer id: livefromCT
Price $162.
Feedback
“50 days and no item, no contact, 2nd time with this seller. Disappointing.”

Ebay item No 160875107370, Alfa Giulietta 750 Window opener set New.
Buyer id: goletadave. Price $119.
Feedback
“They did not have the parts that were advertised”

Ebay item No 160932193369, Alfa GT Junior GTV Floor Mat set New.
Buyer id: lantoga. Price $119.
Feedback
“Won item on the 18th Feb emailed on 27th he doesn’t have it. Very poor seller”

Ebay item No 160754243420, Lamborghini Marcelo Gandini emblem.
Buyer id: 49 piano. Price $53
Feedback
“Claims item was lost, then claimed out of stock but still listed. Wasted my time”

Ebay item No 200602947674, Porsche 356 Coupe wiper pivot Seal
Buyer id: caliclassic1. Price $22.
Feedback
“The item never arrived, no emails, no contact!”

Ebay item No 150333849946, Lamborghini Enamel emblems New.
Buyer id: dansims. Price $105.
Feedback
“Bought 4 Emblems, 1 not in stock, refunded but now stuck with 3 I can’t use!”

Ebay item No 200612795786, Porsche 356 Orange Front Lens Set New.
Buyer id: 1958-356a. Price $40
Feedback
“Seller did not have items in stock, he is selling back ordered parts! Refunded.”

Ebay item No 200363402599, Ferrari 246 GT Dino Wheel 6.5 x 14
Buyer id: koolshake. Price $425
Feedback
“Seller couldn’t get wheel-cancelled order-refunded”

Ebay item 200547553870, VW Karmann Ghia Dashboard Cap 1966-70
Buyer id: vecchionovo. Price $90
Feedback
“Paid on 23rd December 2010, but never arrived!

Ebay item 200466275151, Porsche 356 Dashboard rubber set New
Buyer id: vecchionovo. Price $29
Feedback
“Paid on 23rd December 2010, but never arrived!!!”

So Dave, the question is do I sit tight or shout from the rooftops to maybe prevent others from falling foul of these tactics?

well as you have already said you don't want a refund, then i cant see you have much choice but to wait till stock arrives. Joining a forum just to praise or belittle a company always seems strange to the rest of us.

We only have to look at their ebay feedback to see that they are normally a good company, a glitch really isn't nothing for others to worry about, especially one that the company has tried their best to resolve.

Probably time to move on I think.

Nothing will be settled here and any victory will be pyrrhic at best.

Chris

First our ebay feedback speaks for itself:

fiatinc (5609) Positive Feedback (last 12 months): 99.4%
misterfiat ( 1536) Positive Feedback (last 12 months): 98.8%
luisiwheels ( 771) Positive Feedback (last 12 months): 99.1%


Here is our final response to Darren C's attempt to blackmail us. There will be no more posts about this subject on our behalf.

(Darren C's email to us Mrfiat)

Hello David,

I would like to discuss the situation with you, but not over the phone, as I am keeping all correspondance as a record and I am sure that if you are sincere as you say on the forums, there is nothing you would put in writing. I am so glad you "found" the thread on Ferrarichat yesterday, several more to go! Although some you won't see on other forums without being a member, so it will be tough to find them all. Views are high today so the word is spreading well.
All that is left is for you to do the right thing, and explain why your company lists parts for sale that you simply dont have, lists buy-it-now auctions that even though a typo, you refuse to abide by ebay terms and finally, just when will I get my parts from you?.

Yours truly
User: Darren C

(Our last response to Darren C's attempt to blackmail)

Dear Darren C:

The real issue that you should be concerned about here is not putting a business on trial that has more than a 99 percent satisfaction rating. What you need to be worrying about is the fact of your cheap, dishonest, and coercive ways with which you wish to commit a virtual gun point holdup. By now you have published lies and made it abundantly clear that you will not shirk from anything, including various intimidation tactics, slander, and ultimately outright blackmail. I have tried so far to deal with your harassment and continuous effort to damage our business, in a civil manner. Ultimately, your psychological warfare is interfering with our normal business operations, hence causing us tremendous harm. Therefore, hereby we put you on notice unless you stop your harassment and retract all your slander, we will have no other choice than entering into a legal action against you for libel. Rest assured, we shall make best use of your well kept record to demonstrate your unlawful behavior. Perhaps in past your behavior has paid off for you and there may lie the reason of your insolence and shamelessness. Your methods will not yield the results that you are hoping for. We shall hold you responsible for all your overt and declared intention to harm our business and you shall find out soon enough if you continue to persist, what the law thinks of your comportment.

Sincerely,

David Besharat

Thank you for finally replying David. I'm sorry it took so long.

All my posts are factual, so I fail to see why you accuse me, when you have $500 of my money.

You still havent said where my parts are?

This is a smoke screen reply again attacking or discrediting me when all I want to know is why you listed parts you did not have, took my money and still refuse to tell me if and when, I will recieve them.

Answer the question PLEASE.

Darren C said:

You still havent said where my parts are?

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yes he has and so have you, this is getting very boring now

Boring? I am actually enjoying it. And indeed learning ftom it too.
Did you hear about the chap who, s just been done fore selling devices that sence explosives and the likes? Amazing how he got away with it for soo long but seems people where impressed with his list of clients! And his suave ability to impress!

To our moderator.

How about closing this thread to further posts. We do not need for this forum to be a venue for two parties to have their issues vented in public. Both parties have stated their side.
Darren seems determined to use the forum to cause harm to a vendor. Whether the vendor is at fault or not, this is no longer the place for this discussion. Nor is posting all over the internet the correct way to handle the issue.
Enough said.
For the record, I have ordered a few times from Mr. Fiat, and had no issues.
John

Thanks Jacob.

I do not wish to cause harm to the vendor, but to protect others (Forum members) from the pain I and those I have listed the ebay feedback off have had to endure.

I am asking 1 simple question to Mr Fiat which is basically why do they continue to take peoples money when they do not have the goods.

From the response it is obvious that David at Mr Fiat is in denial.
Making accusations of blackmail is perculiar, as what is my demand? Is my demand that they send me the goods I have honestly paid them for? Pretty much yes.

For the benefit of forum members I was truly hoping for Mr Fiat to say something along the lines of...
" Thank you for bringing this to our attention, we will look into improving the way we do business and take your complaint seriously. We are a sincere genuine business and will try to resolve these issues that have unfortunately happened on several occasions. Your parts were not in stock when you placed the order and we apologise for not informing you at the time. Please except our sincere apologies and we will do our best to have the parts out to you" .....or something along those lines.

Unfortunately they completely ignor my request to know when my parts will be in, accuse me of blackmail and have shown no honesty or acknowledgement to me or the others (see ebay feedback post) that have had the same problem.

All I am trying to do jacob is get some acknowledgement that there may be a serious problem in the way they do business.

Making this public on this forum was the only way I could make them sit up and listen whilst informing others about the situation. The blackmail, slander and libel action response is truly shocking behaviour and in my opinion designed to make the forum moderators lock or delete the thread.

I know some find this boring, but equally some members find it enlightening. It is no more harmful than someone saying "hey I bought this part from John Doe and it was poor quality" You wouldn't lock or close that thread would you?
It promotes healthy debate and possibly make Mr Fiat think twice about advertsing parts they don't have.
Now surely that can't be a bad thing can it?

you have posted feedback from ebayers that dont know how to give fair feedback if they got refunded then that should be positive feedback not negative,

Darren C said:

I do not wish to cause harm to the vendor, but to protect others (Forum members)

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You advised other forum members of you personal issue back in post 9 of this thread. Since then you've gone on and on repeating the issue. You could have made a claim from PayPal within the 45 day period, but you chose not to do that.

It's quite clear that you've only joined this forum to air your personal grievance with a company you chose to deal with. Your continual banging on and on about it has now become very tiresome.
.

Davren said:

You advised other forum members of you personal issue back in post 9 of this thread. Since then you've gone on and on repeating the issue. You could have made a claim from PayPal within the 45 day period, but you chose not to do that.

It's quite clear that you've only joined this forum to air your personal grievance with a company you chose to deal with. Your continual banging on and on about it has now become very tiresome.
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Strange when I am tired I put the book down and stop reading it.
Indeed I see both sides of this debate. Alas only one side has seen fit to laydown verbal threats! Rather than answer the actual accusations being made. Which is strange to me.its simple where are the parts? Is it 10 days or 20 or 50 or 100 days? One has to wait. And at the end of the day if a customer is seen as problematic you could always give him his money back and tell him to hop it.
I believe this hasn't happened! Which is what I find strange. ....

Thanks Dave,
I emailed each person on ebay who left the negative feedback to get the full story. Unfortunately I feel it inappropriate to post their email replies as it would be harmful to Mr Fiat, and as I only have their version of events not Mr Fiats, I cannot confirm the circumstances. The feedback is openly available on the internet, so pasted details to prove a point. Whether they were right or worng to post negative feedback Dave is their choice, I cannot make a ruling as you have done, but I appreciate your opinion.

Thanks Davren,
I understand your point entirely and I am treading on eggshells here. I did not start this thread, and I have visited the site numerous times before joining. It's slightly complicated as only $51 was paid on paypal and the rest on debit card, so it's not that simple to claim a refund. I'm desperately trying not to "bang on" but only reply to members questions and most importantly Mr Fiats responses as this is the only place that I can seem to get him to comunicate with me in writing. Too much has gone on now to do it over the phone as I feel that what is said verbally has no commitment to be carried out and is not recorded like an email.
Thanks for your patience.

of course they are wrong to post negative feedback if they got refunded, they are the type of people who ruin ebay.

Darren C said:

this is the only place that I can seem to get him to comunicate with me.

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The moderating team and I know this isn't true and when our mods meet up with the mods of the other sites you use they too will be told what we know.

close the door on your way out

Thanks Dave,

Please tell, I would like to know. If your refering to ebay message system, then I can pm you numerous emails he's not answered. If your refering to my home email, I can do like wise. If your refering to other forum message systems..ditto.
Please ask your contact to ask Mr Fiat to respond to my messages I sent today please. Kindly ask him where my rear lights, side markers and door handle gaskets are too.

It's that simple

Many thanks

I dont think you will hear from him again now, it will probably be his legal team that contact you you next.

you forgot to close the door

Dave,

I have no idea what you have been told, but trust me I just want to know where the parts are and if they will ever arrive that I have bought from this trader, nothing more nothing less.

Why is this so difficult? There is obviously something going on here and it isnt right.

parts are on back order, you have said this your self, you also said you wanted to wait and not have a refund.

bye then :wave:

Dave to save you the trouble, here is a copy of todays email I sent Mr Fiat. I have been nothing but open and truthful, so why the heavy hand?

Buyer has responded to your question about this item Do not respond to the sender if this message requests that you complete the transaction outside of eBay. This type of offer is against eBay policy, may be fraudulent, and is not covered by buyer protection programs. Learn more




Dear misterfiat,

Good evening David,

Any news on when my parts will arrive here with me in the UK? Can you please tell me what my Blackmail demands are? I would like to know please. Or is it simply my first sentence of this email?
I have emailed ALL the ebay members who posted negative feedback, boy do the replies make good reading. There not all in yet. Unfortunately I may not be able to post some of them on the forums due to the content which is seriously bad. However I have kept them on file for reference. I do not think it would be in your best interest for me to post them, so I will for now hold back in respect for you.
So really can we now start to sort out this problem. As I said earlier its not about the $200 that you demanded from me, it's about the way your company does business. I'm sure by now the grief you are experiencing and time you are expending out weighs you just sending me ALL the parts I ordered from you in good faith?
So how about it?
Can you please send me the parts I have purchased from you.

Yours Truly
Mr D Collins