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Old 04-06-2009   #1
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Hello fellow 500'ers

I have a set of genuine Fiat workshop tools for renovating the steering hub kingpin sets on 500/126's :-

74056 Remover and installer, knuckle pillar and leaf spring bonded rubber bushings
74106 Remover and installer, knuckle pillar bushings
90316 Reamer, knuckle pillar bushings

With an engineering background I have always undertaken this work on our own and local friends 500/126's, if anyone fancies a less expensive enthusiast solution than exchange units?
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Re: Kingpin renewal

Thats good to know - mine will need doing before his next mot, the last mot in april showed a fair ammont of play
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Easy peasy!!...and local too...Save all that P&P nonsense...
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Re: Kingpin renewal

As this is an issue that will affect us all sooner or later, and a very useful post to boot, I have made it a sticky so that it doesn't drop off the bottom!
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Hi,

I'm new to Bambinas. I have a '69 NZ made bambina and have quite a lot of vertical play in the near-side king-pin unit. My manual is not to clear about this. Are there replaceable shims/bushes in the unit or does the whole shebang need to be replaced?

sorry to be asking such a dumb question.
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Hi Denzil, you buy a kit that has new pins, thrust washers and bushes. The kit costs very little, but you may end up paying a lot more to have the pins professionally replaced. You'll need a good engineering workshop to do the job, your local garage likely won't have the tools. There is little point in only doing one side, so you may as well get both done at the same time.
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Cheers Roger,

I'll try the bloke in Napier see if he stocks them.
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Re: Kingpin renewal

Just bought the new upgraded kingpin set assured to last forever from a parts store here. The new kingpins cost me 80 euro for the pair. There was a less expensive option, but failable like the originals. Also bought a front leaf spring for 65 euro, a refurbished steering box for 85 euro, and an idler arm assembly for 25 euro.
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So I just received what I purchased a few weeks ago. Turns out they were two rebuilt steering knuckles with upgraded kingpins, guaranteed for the life of the vehicle. It is always difficult translating car parts. Turns out fuselli does not mean kingpins, but steering knuckle. Turned out better than I expected. I will post some photos in the future when I replace the steering box, leaf spring, and steering knuckles.
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Re: Kingpin renewal

Quote Originally Posted by Crxsprocket View Post
With an engineering background...
I am a mechanical engineer myself :-) Would it be possible to post some pictures and a rough sketch with the most important dimensions? I have always managed to do this job with the aid of whatever being present on the workbench and in the scrap bin. But manufacturing a 'semioriginal' tool might make this forever returning job a bit easier...

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Re: Kingpin renewal

By the way then be aware that some of the aftermarket renewal sets are really poor quality. E.g. some of them missing the bores in the kingpins that (theoretically) should distribute the grease to both bushings.
Also some of them contains a teflon coated steel bushing instead of the original brass ones. I have never tried using some of these, but I cannot imagine that it is going to work. Any experience?

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Re: Kingpin renewal

Quote Originally Posted by Crxsprocket View Post
Hello fellow 500'ers

I have a set of genuine Fiat workshop tools for renovating the steering hub kingpin sets on 500/126's :-

74056 Remover and installer, knuckle pillar and leaf spring bonded rubber bushings
74106 Remover and installer, knuckle pillar bushings
90316 Reamer, knuckle pillar bushings

With an engineering background I have always undertaken this work on our own and local friends 500/126's, if anyone fancies a less expensive enthusiast solution than exchange units?
Regards.
Nev...
Nev,
I have just nought my first 500 (1971) the bloke put on 12 months MoT for me, but when I checked the play in the front wheels there was loads of play in the front wheels and the king pins have a bit of play.
Can you do the do the job please and if so how much.
Cheers
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Re: Kingpin renewal

Andy, that first post was 5 years ago . I would buy an exchange set from one of the 500 suppliers. I believe you can get them with an extra grease nipple to be much more efficient at lubrication.
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Andy, that first post was 5 years ago . I would buy an exchange set from one of the 500 suppliers. I believe you can get them with an extra grease nipple to be much more efficient at lubrication.
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Re: Kingpin renewal

Your old ones are usually needed as exchange. I did do a set myself once and it's a +₩@+ of a job. Next time entrusted it to a garage and they seemed worse than before, best was when I got an exchange set from some one whose main line of work was taxi kingpins, so exchange every time for me.
I cheated with this car as I believe that although counter intuitive, pins wear more quickly than bushes so I changed just them. Even that operation is fraught with challenges though.
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